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SquaredArches.com Rear Power Window Repair Guide

Written By SquaredArches.com

  • Applies To: All VN, VP and VQs with rear power windows fitted
  • Example Vehicle: VN Calais
  • Estimated Time In Beers: A six pack a side
  • Tools Required: Trim removal tool, flat screw driver, philips head screw driver, multimetre, power drill and 4.5mm bit, T25 Torx driver, rivet gun and blind rivets (6.6 - 4.8mm diameter, 9.6mm grip)

I called on our forum quite a bit to make these repairs- special thanks to VNSVLE and MEANVN

All things considered, a car's electric accessories are fairly hardy items. Having said that, with some of these cars already over the twenty year old mark, having been through a few owners and more than a couple of years of neglect some things are starting to tire. You probably paid a few dollars extra for these luxuries it's understandable you want them to be working as they should.

In this guide I will show you what I went through to rectify the dramas I had with my windows and look at how you can diagnose your own. If you have anything to add or notice any problems please contact me!

Part One - Removing Your Door Trims

Before we know exactly what the problem is we have to have access to the window regulator assembly. To do this the rear door trims have to be removed.

Using a small flat blade screw driver, level the cover from the armrest handle and remove the two philips head screws behind it. Gentle remove the armrest handle ensuring now damage is done around the door handle itself as it unclips.

Pull the door lock snipper button to the unlocked, up postiton so the orange locking tabble can be seen. Use your flat blade screw driver to carefully lever it from either the left or right so that it is raised and the snipper button can be slid up and off of the control rod. One the button has been removed you can see a philips head screw holding the bracket in place. Remove the screw and the bracket simply lifts up and off the trim.

The trim is now held in place only by the trim clips, however you will have to remove the power window button and courtesy lamps if fitted by prising them up with a flat blade screw driver and disconnecting the wiring.

Using either your trim tool or a flat blade screw driver, start in the lower rear corner and work across them up both sides. The clips will make a fair amount of noise as they come away so don't panic! Replacement clips are also available from Rare Spares and I believe Holden Spare Parts if you do need to replace any. Be careful you don't overdo the amount of force as you rip the trim off or you'll end up like me and chasing spares!

Short and long clips with retainer

Once the trim is off the door you should see a plastic sealing panel. The purpose of this is to act as a dust and moisture seal so that your trims aren't damaged by the elements. Mine had been embossed with crosses to act as inspection panels once cut and you could simply leave them in place. For ease, I removed mine and replaced it afterwards with some random plastic sheet from Bunnings that was simply cut to size and glued in place with a sealant.

Now we can actually access the regulator we can start looking for the problem.

Part Two - Is My Motor Really Stuffed?

Virtually everyone I have spoken to has told me that it is actually very rare for the motors themselves to actually die. Anecdotally, the most common problems seem to be dirty or damaged switch blocks, damaged wiring or the regulator binding so the motor spins but can not drive the pulley to wind the cable.

If you don't already have one, now is the perfect time to head down to Dick Smith's or Jaycar and pick up a multimeter. You can get one that does everything you'll need for under $15.

If you reach inside of the door and feel towards the front of car, you will find the motor wired to a plug. There is enough wire in place to unplug the motor itself and access the plug which leads from the switch block to the motor. We need to test the plug to ensure that power is coming down the line from the switch and at the very least reaching this plug.

Switch your multimeter so it is operating in a range up to 20volts, and place a probe on each pin on the plug. When the switch is depressed on the center console switch block you should get a reading of between 11 and 12 volts. If not, it is possible there is an issue with the switch block itself, or the continuity in the wiring.

It was at this stage that I made up some jumper leads using some wiring, terminals and battery clamps (the type commonly found on battery chargers for easy on, easy off use). Using a battery you can hook the jumper leads directly from a power source to the power window motor itself. It may be necessary to reverse your jumper leads to make sure you have tested both up and down. The below photo shows the jumper leads (Ignore the fact the motor is removed!).

If the power windows can't be driven using the jumper leads it may be necessary to remove the regulator for a closer look. If you are skilled at building ships in bottles, you may be able to loosen the two torx screws holding the motor to the regulator and remove the motor itself for testing, but I found it easier to remove the whole assembly.

Part Three - Removing The Regulator

There is no need to remove the rear glass when removing the regulators but use tape on either side of the window, run over the top of the door as a little security.

The regulator is held in place by rivets- two at the top, three holding the backet with the motor and one stablising the bottom of the regulator. Use your drill, holding it as straight as possible so the holes in the sheet metal aren't enlarged and simply drill until the visible disc of the rivet spins up the bit.

One you have removed all six rivets, the only thing holding the regulator in place is the slide and bracket on the glass. A bit of WD40 will make it a little easier to slide the white plastic guide out of the bracket and then it's simply a matter of removing the assembly through the large inspection cut out.

The factory VN, VP and VQ units will be a solid guide, riveted to a bracket which holds the motor and lower pulley assembly stamped with BROSE. Aftermarket units and VR - VS types do not have a bracket for the motor but instead float and are only held in place by the door sheet metal once riveted in place. Having said that, the items are interchangable.

By this stage, the regulator has been in service for some time and will probably be looking a little worse for wear. On mine there was a fair amount of crap built up in the runner iteself which was simply cleaned with a rag.

Part Four - Checking The Cable

You will notice that a cable runs from the top and bottom of the slide, through pulleys- one at the top and one at the bottom- and into black plastic regulator and should been reasonably tensioned. Excessive tightness or massive amounts of slack indicate there is a problem with the cable itself.

If you suspect the cable is the problem, the top cover can be removed using your torx driver. Simply undo the screws and prise the lid off. Beneath you will find a large plastic reel with the cable wrapped around. Be aware that if you choose to remove the reel, the cable will most likely jump off and need to be rewound- if you don't need to do it you are just creating work for yourself!

If the cable need to be rewound, simply place the cable ends in the recess (bottom cable starts at the top of the reel, top cable at the bottom) and is tightly wound. It can be frustrating winding one while keeping tension on the other but I struggle rewiring a whipper snipper so you might have more luck than me!

On one side of my windows this cable had jumped off the reel and caused a tangle so it was necessary to remove the reel and rewind it. The underside of the reel has three recesses where black plastic rubbers are placed to give it a more positive fitment against the drive cog in the base. If you lose these, the assembly can be reassembled however it won't be quite as responsive as the drive cog will have to move and take up the slack before the reel is driven to wind the cable.

One thing I noticed with this problem was the cable itself had actually stretched and each time it was driven by the motor it would simply jump off the reel and another tangle would result. I had no luck finding a replacement cable and the VN / VP slide and cable seems to be a complete unit so the regulator itself had to be replaced.

Part Five - Checking The Motor

If your cable is fine and there is no obstruction on the guide runner itself (and of course you already checked for power at the plug!) the last piece of the puzzle is the motor itself.

The motor is held to the regulator by two torx headed screws which when unscrewed will allow the motor to slide away from the rest of the assembly. The drive shaft is spiralled to mesh with a cog and drive the cable reel so you may need to manouver the motor a little to get it free- brute strength will probably damage the plastic cog.

Coming loose with the motor will be a black rubber gasket to seal it against outside elements.

With my unit, whatever lubricant used previously had soldified and was restricting the motor spinning in the housing. All that was required was a good clean, a light sand to remove some corrosion and a relube with nickel grease. Again the jumper leads came out and the motor spun up while away from the rest of the regulator to confirm the motor was driving.

With the motor confirmed as serviceable, I removed the top cover of the cable reel to clean out any left over gunk and then put the regulator and motor back together before testing it as a whole assembly with the jumper leads.

Part Six - Reinstallation

Once you are happy you have a working window regulator assembly it can be riveted back into your door. I stress the importance of testing the regulator before re installing it- however make sure the guide is correctly positioned to slide it back into the window bracket.

Place the regulator in so the top of the regulator is towards the front of the car as I found it easier to slide the guide into the bracket from the front of the car, pulling rearward. Some lube might be needed to help it into place.

Once the guide and bracket have been reunited it is simply a matter of re-riveting the brackets in place (two at the top, four at the bottom) ensuring all cable as clear and aren't going to get sandwiched between the regulator and door.

Once you have replugged the motor in it is probably a good idea to test it from your switch block before you attach the sealing panel and door trim itself.

If everything is working as it should, you can reinstall the door trim and be satisfied any passengers in the back will have working power windows!